Draft:FF Kievit

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• Comment: Independent sources, please. Abbink is not an indepedent source.
  "University of California currently uses FF Kievit as main typeface." As its (one) main typeface? As one of a number of "main" typefaces? For print, on its website, or both? And how may we verify this? Hoary (talk) 05:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback! I've reduced the reliance on non-independent sources (Abbink) and added a source for University of California. This font is one of two fonts used in University of California, the other being Lyon. Xeverything11 (talk) 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Xeverything11, please have a look at Secondary source. This is a press release, and is not acceptable. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have changed the source again. Xeverything11 (talk) 16:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The source now is a personal website/blog which may have some authority, but it is not a peer-reviewed secondary source--and an additional problem is that it is used to verify BLP information--info about a living person. Please see WP:BLP. Also, words like "student" should not be wikilinked--please see WP:OVERLINK. Drmies (talk) 18:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have removed that obviously personal blog reference and replaced where appropriate. Thanks. Xeverything11 (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll step out and pass the baton, for now, but let me just say that that blog can be helpful and acceptable for things/factoids/whatever that are within the author's expertise. I mean, we know where the personal info likely came from--from the font designer, one way or another: their website, an email, a conference bio. So for BLP info we typically do not accept that, but for sourcing "In 2019, Abbink and van der Laan released FF Kievit Serif, which has wide apertures and large counters that make it quite legible" it's fine. Then again, the question there is whether that kind of info is of encyclopedic value...with secondary, independent, peer-reviewed (etc. etc.) sources that is less of a question. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 19:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

FF Kievit

Category	Sans-serif
Classification	Humanist
Designer(s)	Mike Abbink Christian Schwartz Paul van der Laan
Foundry	FontShop International
Date created	1995-2000
Date released	2001
License	Commercial

FF Kievit is a humanist sans-serif typeface designed by Mike Abbink, Christian Schwartz and Paul van dan Laan, published by FontShop International, and released in 2001. It currently has 18 styles, including 9 weights and true italics, as well as small caps and text figures. It is described as being "ideal for large projects in print and on screen."^[1]

It features large x-height as well as open apertures, which are optimised for small text sizes. It takes inspiration from a number of classic sans-serif typefaces, such as Frutiger and Univers, and humanist serif typefaces including Garamond.^[1]