User talk:Jojhutton/Archive 1

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Yes I do enjoy editing and adding to wikipedia, thank you. I try to contribute as often and as correctly as possible, although I don't contribute as much as others. Thank you for your helpful hints, I am still learning the etiquette of wikipedia and I do try. As for the edit I mad about Herbert Hoover, I am aware that citations are helpful toward the validity of wikipedia articles, but pieces of information that are a matter of public knowledge need no citation. This may not be a wikipedia policy, but it is a standard writing practice. You may not agree, but that is what I have been taught. If I said that a dog has four legs, would I need a citation to verify it, or is it a matter of public knowledge? Must a writer cite every single snippet of information? If I said that the President of the United States was George W. Bush, must I find an article to support it? But if I said that George W. Bush was a member of the NRA, then I better find documents to support my findings, then cite them. Again thank you for your concern.

I did not tag the item in the article, which if you check the "history" of the article you will see who did. But, the item should have a citation, as this may be common knowledge to you, but it was not to that editor (or myself as well). To put it more bluntly, if someone asks for a citation, you need one, as that means it has been challenged. Happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC) I am sorry about the misunderstanding on the citation issue. Again I am still learning the bits and pieces of wikipedia and don't understand every little detail available. I usually learn by looking at how others have done things when they edit, so thank you again for the links above. I have reviewed them and will return to them on a need to know basis. This whole process of adding symbols in certain order to create the needed result is so confusing but the links above will help. I agree that what is common knowledge to one person may not ne common knowledge to another, but I wasn't talking about common knowledge, I was speaking of public knowledge, and public knowledge is not up for debate, therefore is not usually challengable by normal standards. If a third party citation is used for every bit of information in writing, then the research would overwelm the writer and the reader to the point of exhaustion. That is why public knowledge citations are not common in normal writing, but perhaps wikipedia is its own master on this topic. Wikipedia is its own beast. First, see the verifiability policy for part of the reason why we try to have a citation for everything. The distinction between public and common knowledge is not really important. It is public knowledge that David Hill adopted some children in 1850, I know I read it in the state archives in the public records. But until right now as I type that, I am probably the only living person in the entire world who knew that. So, despite it being public knowledge, I would certainly have to have a citation in order to back up what I am saying. Which leads us to Criticism of Wikipedia, which if you read you may come to better understand why some of the rules exist. I'm not saying you are making anything up, but by requiring citations for things that no everyone knows and agrees to (i.e. the Holocaust is public knowledge, but not everyone agrees it happened) we help avoid the problems of made-up stuff that occasionally makes it into Wikipedia. Aboutmovies (talk) 11:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC) So if Wikipedia is its own beast, would that make you and your cronies, the beast masters? Then deciding what is right and wrong for the rest of us who casually contribute to the glory of wikipedia. Long live the beast.Jojhutton (talk) 14:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)jojhutton I had already taken care of part of it early today. In the future, I'd suggest not using the move function until you have a better feeling of Wikipedia functions. You can always just cut and paste text to start an article. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC) I was thinking about cut and paste, but thought this would be easier. Thank You.Jojhutton (talk) 01:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.orgview.php?sq=crain_ford&lang=en&q=User_talk:Jojhutton"