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Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Featured log/May 2008

The following is an archived discussion of a featured portal candidate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the portal's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The portal was promoted 10:41, 24 May 2008.

Portal:Anglicanism

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FPOC 1 FPOC 2 FPOC 3

  • Support as nominator portal complies with all offical criteria. I have found it disgusting that some editors choose to ignore the existing criteria and in the past have threatened, and I quote "the portal (will not be) promoted, unless (we) accept...the unofficial criteria." This is the last time I will nominate this. Any further recourse to "unofficial criteria" will result in me taking this matter to RfC.
We have been accused of a refusal to address concerns. Every actionable suggestion was corrected as soon as it was posted. We have indeed acted in a collaborative fashion and hopefully the additional offical criteria will make this process easier in the future. Appaling attitudes, indeed. -- Secisek (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Qst
  • Oppose. While I applaud the few improvements made to this by Secisek, there are still quite a few issues, which were not even commented on at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Anglicanism/archive3. The credit on the selected picture needs linking to the actual other or copyright holder, or if the copyright is held by a Wikipedia user, they must be credited. The topics should, ideally, be revamped to show properly and not just with an article namespace template. Some of the biographies still need cutting down. I'd like to see more selected pictures (nine is not enough, really,) and their sizes decreased; More DYK subpages and more selected articles would be nice (the unofficial max is ten, but I think that is too low.) The subject of the picture in the selected picture which you are linking to should be emboldened. That's all I have, for now. And by all means, feel free to take this matter to RfC if you feel it can't be resolved by other steps. Contrary to your comments on my talk page, I don't think my attitude is bad, really. Qst (talk) 21:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to review Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. -- Secisek (talk) 19:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The criteria page begins "A featured portal has the following attributes..." That page details what is expected of portals. If you feel the criteria need to be amended, propose the changes or be bold and add them, but don't expect the nomination to fail because of your "unoffical criteria". Here we go again with the ever-present moving goal posts: "there are still quite a few issues, which were not even commented on at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Anglicanism/archive3". Does this portal meet the criteria stated at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria or not? -- Secisek (talk) 20:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support! Finally, it took a while, but you got there. :-) Qst (talk) 22:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - despite some rather unfortunate, almost argumentative comments of nominator. Several of the official criteria are less then absolutely clear, and it is to be expected that a degree of personal opinion would go into the review process. After all, I would personally consider Oppose - as appalling ugly perhaps a reasonable response in some cases, if required. But it does seem to meet all actionable criteria. Further esthetic judgements unless extremely pronounced probably shouldn't enter into it. For what it's worth, I'm currently involved in a much delayed FAC, Preity Zinta, and I can understand the impatience displayed above. But we should remember that in some, hopefully not many, but some, cases the defined terms we do reasonably seek won't be available. John Carter (talk) 00:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support- a portal has clean layout and sufficient amount of content is attached. Sushant gupta (talk) 08:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will support based on the fact that issues that were previously unresolved now are. Rudget (Help?) 10:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. My only very minor comments are that "Noms" feels a little informal to me, and one of the images under DYKs has been deleted as a fair-use violation. Otherwise it is looking very good. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All concerns addressed, consensus reached, so promote Rudget (Help?) 15:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The portal was promoted 23:56, 20 May 2008.

Portal:James Bond

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previous FPOC Self nomination. I've given it some more time to improve. Ultra! 19:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments.

dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Several of the selected articles lack images. The Selected biographies blurbs are rather variable in length, and some eg Eva Green contain material that doesn't seem portal worthy. The blurb should expand on the person's connection with James Bond; this isn't even stated for several singers and is only touched on for most of the actors who did not play Bond himself.
There are some problems with the selected pictures. Several are not of sufficiently high quality. At least one is fair use, which is not permitted on portals. The selected picture captions need expanding in some cases to explain the actor's role in the films, and several captions need the subject wikilinking. The photo credits are missing in many cases. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. {{portals|}} needs to move to the lowest point of the portal, not the top.
  1. "See new selections" needs to be in between the intro and the selected sections below that.
  1. Portal:James Bond/Did you know needs a little work. If others want to add any new DYKs its helpful for them to know how to. You will also need to create a subsection for each DYK with each one quoting their appropriate recent additions archive.
  1. There's too much breakage in the bottom of the portal. Consider shifting some around so more are on the left and right rather than most being 100% wide.
  1. Associated Wikimedia text needs to be centered.
  1. Please remove the "Help" section. It's not fitting, and if anyone had a question, you can always watchlist the portal talk page.
  1. Try and change the look of the WikiProjects section. It's a little dull at the moment.
  1. The Topics box needs a complete overhaul. The links are fine, but the content isn't supposed to be in template form.
  1. Explore.... section should be renamed to "featured content" or "quality content". The image should be descaled and if the GA icon is to be included, consider using syntax.
  1. The news section is way too large. Consider removing most of the items and move it to the left or right (depending on preference). You'll also have to use the Wikinews Importer Bot (this is described in various FPOCs below this).

That should be about it for now. Greman Knight. 17:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this helps - good luck with it. Tvoz/talk 22:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

;Message for the FPOC Director Dear Sir/Madam, I am going on a vacation till May 19. So if consensuws is reached or oppositions are raised, please keep the result on hold till then but PLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE THIS CANDIDATE if any upcoming reviewers' concerns are not addressed before the 19th. Thank you. Ultra! 14:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured portal candidate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the portal's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The portal was promoted 10:18, 19 May 2008.

Portal:Florida

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Well, here goes with another portal I've been working on. It currently has 31 selected articles, most of which have a freely licensed image; 13 selected biographies, due to the lack of higher quality biography articles, 16 selected pictures, 8 panoramic pictures again due to the lack of suitable panoramas, 10 DYK hooks and finally, 17 selected quotes. All of the articles selected for the 'selected article' and 'selected biography' box are of B-class status or higher. The news section is updated automatically by Wikinews Importer Bot (talk); I guess that is all there is to say, really. I'm willing to address any issues, should they crop up. Qst (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Nice clean layout, well-balanced columns. I felt that the introduction needed some more work; it reads a little oddly, and the second paragraph seems overly detailed and ends abruptly. A map of the US showing the position of Florida would be useful somewhere. Some of the pictures seemed too small at my screen resolution. As you have so many featured articles, you might consider removing those that lack a free image. Some very minor points. In the heading "Florida News", news should probably be lower case. Some of the blurbs could do with a light copy edit eg N rules, missing spaces, repeated words; I've corrected a few problems, but there are more than I have time to fix. The Miami Herald blurb contains several red links. Hope this is of assistance. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay, I've done everything you listed above except for applying a light copyedit to a selection of the articles. Could you please specify which ones you feel need it, and I'll get right on it. Thanks for the review. Qst (talk) 19:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I meant the blurbs, not the articles (which I haven't studied). The following in my opinion need major edits: Miami, Launch Complex 39, Pelican Island National Wildlife Refuge, and quite a lot of the biographies, which often have one general paragraph plus one paragraph on early childhood. These have one or more minor style issues only: Miami River, Fort Lauderdale, Hurricane Georges, Super Bowl XLI, Okeechobee Hurricane, Limp Bizkit, Clearwater, Mary Jane McLeod Bethune, Robert Bowden, Zora Neale Hurston, Jeordie Osborne White, Herbert Jackson Youngblood III, Stephen Orr Spurrier, Lawton Mainor Chiles, Jr., Donald John Trump. (It's a pity that the random portal system doesn't readily allow editing of these from the archive page, as most would be easier to fix than list!) Espresso Addict (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Okay, I've copyedited all the articles and biographies you mentioned. I hope now you will be able to offer your support. Sorry for the late reply. Qst (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to support, though I think ideally the biography blurbs could do with more tailoring. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will see what else I can shortly. Qst (talk) 20:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  1. The intro/lead could be modified to have rotating iconic images, like at Portal:Iceland, though this is not required. Cirt (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would you mind if I left this out? I've never really liked rotating images for some reason; so, if you wouldn't mind, I'd prefer to leave these. Qst (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. There's enough news content that the amount of selections displayed could be reduced to 5. Also, I would suggest changing the heading at that subsection from "Florida news" to simply "In the news" or "News". Cirt (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think we got this sorted out on IRC, but tweaking the news header to "In the news" = done. :-) Qst (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Would it be possible to get 2 more panorama images, to bring it up to 10? Not required, but would be nice. Cirt (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Qst (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "Exemplary content" is sort of an odd title, "Quality content" or something like that, would be better. Cirt (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Qst (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Things you can do -- could use more wikilinks at the start of each suggestion, to help facilitate the process, Portal:Comedy has a well-maintained model for that. Cirt (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Qst (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything else looks great. Really nice work. Cirt (talk) 23:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do the rest shortly. Qst (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that's everything done; if I haven't stated otherwise directly below your comment. Qst (talk) 15:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good to be promoted, unless anyone else have any other comments?

OhanaUnitedTalk page 10:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured portal candidate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the portal's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The portal was promoted 12:28, 1 May 2008.

Portal:Wales

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Self-nomination. See archived peer review and previous FPOC. Stats: (14) Selected articles, all of "B" class or higher and all have an associated free-use image, (13) Selected biographies, all of "B" class or higher and all have an associated free-use image, (11) Selected pictures, all are free-use images, (12) Selected quotes, all have links to notable individuals with articles on Wikipedia, and all have associated free-use images, (15) Did you know entries, showing 3 at a time, and (7) selected quotes shown one at a time. All of the above sections are randomised and display new content when the portal is purged. News updates automatically from Wikinews, using Wikinews Importer Bot. I believe the portal meets the standards for Featured Portal status after a rigourous first featured nomination, which has helped develop the portal further. Rudget (review) 11:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  1. If there is an ongoing WP:FPOC discussion, the WP:PPREV should be archived, but it is still open at the moment, at least according to the portal's talk page. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Looks like you accidentally used Portal:Wales/Selected biography/Layout for the Portal:Wales/Selected article section as well, that will have to be fixed. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The "No free image" things on the Selected bios might be okay in the actual articles, but look unseemly in the portal itself. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Flag, Arms, and Map in the Intro could be rotated, like in Portal:Oregon, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Not needed. Other portals are featured without it, example Portal:Sustainable development. Rudget (review) 13:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    True - this one was just a suggestion, not really required or anything - though it could be considered as a longer term recommendation to add some more dynamism. Cirt (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    It's just that most of the national symbols are already used in the Selected picture section. Rudget (review) 13:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Left column is a bit wide and right column is a bit narrow, better to showcase 2 "Selected" subsections of content at the top, and make the columns 55%/45%, and shift some stuff around. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Much better - but "Featured content", "Things you can do", and "Selected quote" would probably all look better if moved to somewhere inside the bottom section where there is 100% width. Cirt (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    There is way too many things at 100% width already, it'd break up the flow. See what it is like now. Rudget (review) 13:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Much better, but still, I'd swap locations of WikiProjects and Featured content. Cirt (talk) 13:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. "Associated Wikimedia" should have its own subpage, with links to other projects tailored to searches or existing pages as per what is currently available in this topic. Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  7. "Selected quote" would look much nicer if modeled after the WP:FPORT, Portal:Sustainable development - as would subsections "Things you can do" and "WikiProjects". Cirt (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Looks like "Selected picture" section is missing the Archive/More footer. Cirt (talk) 13:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh wait - if you are going to go with the Archive/More format for all the other subsections, best to use that format for this one too, and not "Suggest" format. Cirt (talk) 13:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Doing. Rudget (review) 13:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like this one still has the "Suggest" footer? Cirt (talk) 13:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 14:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  9. News section also appears to not have a footer, which could link directly to n:Portal:Wales. Cirt (talk) 13:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. I went and did this one. Cirt (talk) 13:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Did you know - Also still uses the Suggest/More footer, should be changed to Archive/More, for uniformity/standardization w/ other sections of the portal. Cirt (talk) 13:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Rudget (review) 13:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Excellent work. Thanks for responding so insanely fast to my above comments. Portal looks great. Cirt (talk) 13:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks like a featured portal. Red and green is handled well and I admire the restraint on borders (none) in the boxheaders. Beautiful job. -Susanlesch (talk) 21:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Attractive clean colours. The column layout at my monitor resolution was significantly unbalanced (too long on the left column), though I can't see a quick fix that would balance. Looking at the Selected articles list I'm confused as the majority seem to be biographies -- when the random selection gives two biographies it looks rather odd to me. Surely there must be ten or so non-biographical Welsh articles of at least B-class? Not all the biographies have images associated, eg Gethin Jones, Max Boyce, Lloyd Owen, Tommy Cooper. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know there is quite a problem with that, and I am looking to resolve the issue, but it is difficult. With a context that is in poorly represented on Wikipedia its hard to find any good B-class articles (or higher) which I can use without using half the page as just an introduction, in that case, it would be better to just link the page itself. Biographies, on the other hand, are in plentiful supply and this is the reason why they have been used in this particular instance. I hope it doesn't impede too much on the portal, and I will look at updating some selected articles when the time comes that articles about various Wales locations are of a good standard. Rudget (review) 14:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What are you planning to do with the large blank space in the right panel? OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Intro needs copyediting...first four sentences all start with the same word ("Wales"), for instance. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 12:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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